And this was when WWX said he would always serve JC and then would be twin heroes etc. Alive Now that's all the numbers of reasons I think Jiang Cheng wronged Wei Wuxian and others mainly because he was choosing to look the other way or because he was acting like a spoiled brat. He has no sworn brotherhood with ANY other sect, meanwhile the Gusu Lan, Qinghe Nie and Lanling Jin do. Whether he died from his army or suicide or Jiang cheng the real question is are they going to show how he died cause we all wanna know and so far in each novel and series are different endings now the anime and dongua how will wei ying die in those and will they even show us in the anime. I'm more anxious. Audio Drama (JP) Its really hard for me to accept that WWX who w as repeatedly described as having a hero complex never felt guilty for murdering innocents, sure he might not have liked the other cultivators but he would not have been fine with just killing them when they provoked him?? Wei Wuxian brings Jiang Cheng to Yiling to meet Baoshan Sanren, ordering him to keep his blindfold on at all times and introduce himself as the son of Cangse Sanren. [44], Jiang Cheng verbally lashes out at Wei Wuxian, prompting Lan Wangji to warn him to "spare some virtue. He even asks Wei Wuxian about how he died. An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works Wei Wuxian made a face in his direction. I just watched the donghua version of the Founder of Diabolism, and I am still confused about how did Wei Wuxian die. And It's a pretty shitty state trust me I think time can heal many things. A subreddit dedicated to fans, by fans, of all versions and adaptations of Mo Dao Zu Shi! But once he was done talking to Lan Qiren, his . It just felt terribly convenient coincidences to further wei yings tragedy, which if it wasnt someone intentionally harming wei ying then its just bad writing. Media Although he does acknowledge his fault in everything, it's kind of glossed over and it seems like most of the fandom chooses to ignore it. (Chapter 59)And protecting the Wen Remnants wasn't anything difficult, Nie Mingjue and Lan Xichen asked about the debt and Jiang Wanyin just had to tell about Wen Qing and Wen Ning risking their lives to save them, (since Nie Mingjue original words were over Wen Qing's inaction, when she in fact took action when she saved the two, that was treason against her sect, had nmj and lxc known about the treason and that her branch was innocent, they would have definitely stepped in) Its highlighted with Jin Guangshan fanning his jealousy issues, he didn't want to speak up, rather than a political issue, the sects at the time are envious that he has Wei Wuxian, a powerful necromancer in his sect, meaning they do have power. I was expecting it, anticipating it even. Jiang cheng and wei wuxian's complicated relationship; Summary. I think he rather believed its not over, as much as Lan Zhan. He picked up Chenqing and refused to give it to JGY in exchange of Suibian because he knew that WWX would look for the dizi not the sword. According to the Author's Weibo, Jiang Cheng also notices that Wei Wuxian takes on a flirtatious tone when speaking with Lan Wangji, in contrast to Wei Wuxian's tone with him. @keyframes _1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT{0%{opacity:0}to{opacity:1}}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc{--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left:0px;font-size:12px;font-weight:500;line-height:16px;padding:3px 9px;position:absolute;border-radius:4px;margin-top:-6px;background:#000;color:#fff;animation:_1tIZttmhLdrIGrB-6VvZcT .5s step-end;z-index:100;white-space:pre-wrap}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after,.HQ2VJViRjokXpRbJzPvvc:after{content:"";position:absolute;top:100%;left:calc(50% - 4px - var(--infoTextTooltip-overflow-left));width:0;height:0;border-top:3px solid #000;border-left:4px solid transparent;border-right:4px solid transparent}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd{margin-top:6px}._3uK2I0hi3JFTKnMUFHD2Pd:after{border-bottom:3px solid #000;border-top:none;bottom:100%;top:auto} And when WWX took the Wens, JC could not justify, politically, in the eyes of the others, why they shouldn't kill WWX. He uses his swimming skills to find a hole at the bottom of the pool that they can escape through and helps guide those who cannot swim out of the cave. [33] But when Jin Ling is nearly killed by the Heavenly Maiden, Jiang Cheng berates him for not calling for help. Lan Zhang doesn't know how he died in the donghua. Its quite sad but I personally dont forgive his characters atrocious behaviour towards WWX, regardless of whether you hate yourself or not, you dont get lash out at people the way he did WWX. And at the end of the novel, their still justalone. I actually have the same question as to how he died. The two marry shortly after the incident at the Guanyin Temple, and they maintain a loving, passionate relationship. [1], Afraid his father will find out and dislike him even more, Jiang Cheng recruits his elder sister Jiang Yanli to find Wei Wuxian. >!He felt completely betrayed that WWX left him to be with the Wen remnants. If Wei Wuxian regained consciousness he would need his presence more than anyone's else. at the time Wen Ning left thinking to WWX and attacked everyone his master perceived as a threat. Jin Zixuan ( short meta sentences ) Marriage: 19-23 The Yunmeng Jiang Sect was obliterated. climbing up that coastal shelf by Sour_Idealist. [9], When Jiang Cheng reprimands Wei Wuxian for playing the hero by joining the fight to support Lan Wangji and Jin Zixuan, Jiang Fengmian rebukes his son. Manage all your favorite fandoms in one place! They have no weapons, they are being led to an underground cavethey were all children, including her own son, her sworn sister's son who would have been her daughters future husband. Status Ultimately, he kept his mouth shut, because his pride had finally become less important to him than WWX's feelings. However, he said that it doesn't matter how he died. I think JC walking away shaking his head was more of a "What a shame/What a waste" type of head shake instead of "There he goes with his tricks/antics again.". before (or even as he was) dying he destroyed the amulet. When it comes to how the novel addresses WWX's darker emotions, part of me wonders if there are likecontextual or cultural things that get lost in translation? He is now a Jiang, the most coveted omega of his generation all throughout the kingdom of YunMeng, second to none. Previously:Qinghen. So maybe you can try that? So it's definitely that he believed WWX is still somewhere out there and secretly misses his bro. This would have also had to be censored. This can't wait, please solve it soon." Wei Wuxian says as he finally rises from his bow. I can't really speak about Chinese culture, but maybe differences here could explain why some of this was glossed over. So that last bastion of hope. Thank you!! JC is a Sect Leader. !<, I look at that scene differently. Hahahaha. He learnt that WWX was set up, imagine that; JC resented for 13-16 years and then suddenly learnt that his senior brother was innocent. He also hates why Wei Wuxian has come back. The two get off to a rocky start, as Wei Wuxian is terrified of dogs, and Jiang Cheng is forced to get rid of his pets for his new brother. I finished the novel because I wanted to know what happens (and because I want to see weiying and jiangcheng talk shit out WHICH THEY DONT OMFG GUYS PLS) but yea. This could be MXTX being very subtle and leaving readers room to interpret, or it could just not be what she wanted to focus on. After finding everything out its clear he wouldnt have wanted to fight anymore because he had nothing left to fight for and he only ever fought for others anyway, never himself, yet everyone he knew or would fight for turned against him. Ahhhhhh. But out of the two of them, it's JC that bears the brunt of the damage WWX causes, politically. An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works Reddit and its partners use cookies and similar technologies to provide you with a better experience. ._3bX7W3J0lU78fp7cayvNxx{max-width:208px;text-align:center} We encourage members to share their thoughts, fanworks, news and more! Jiang Cheng is then captured and forced to seal his spiritual power. I don't even need to read ur entire post "he got angrier and angrier" yep. [34], When Wei Wuxian flees from Jin Ling's spiritual dog Fairy, Jiang Cheng takes it as proof that "Mo Xuanyu" is actually Wei Wuxian. Has he acted like he hated him? [28], After Wei Wuxians death, Jiang Cheng develops a deep hatred of all who practice Demonic Cultivation. Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation Wiki is a FANDOM Anime Community. Theres really only one way wei wuxian would know why the soul summoning wasnt possible. She embraces Jiang Cheng, appoints him the owner of the weapon, and requests that Wei Wuxian promise to protect Jiang Cheng with his life. And as a personal aside, it genuinely pisses me off that as lot of fans who don't like JC are very reductive of him. Jiang Yanli (, Jing Ynl) was the elder sister of Jiang Cheng and the elder sworn sister of Wei Wuxian. I like to think that after the ending (post-canon), with many years having gone by, that maybe they could settle the past with time,, leave it there since it can't be changed, and care for each other as the last of their family, but probably not as close siblings that they once were. But after he met Lan Zhan again, Lan Zhan stuck to him like glue and gave him hope again. [4], Despite his lectures, Jiang Cheng carries Wei Wuxian after he was beaten as punishment, and expresses anger when Wei Wuxian is beaten so severely he needs several days to recover. [14], Although Jiang Cheng believes he really has met Baoshan Sanren and that his core has been restored, the matter is actually an elaborate plot constructed by Wei Wuxian. But Wang Lingjiao gave out a signal that the Jiang family was afraid that they would be killed. Names The spiritually weak Wei Wuxian was tortured and thrown into the Burial Mounds by Wen Chao of Qishan Wen Sect, from where he returned . I mean, u could say that WWX wanted to die and the only thing that kept him up was LWJ grabbing his hand. They also cut quite alot of scenes / dialogue from the book. However, to his surprise, Wei Wuxian, Lan Wangji, and Wen Ning had arrived earlier to free the juniors. The three months wei ying spent alone, struggling to survive in the Burial Mounds, the guilt after killing his sisters husband and later accidentally hurting his sister with his zombie (both times knowing about their kid), the time his brother jiang cheng KILLED HIM?? ._12xlue8dQ1odPw1J81FIGQ{display:inline-block;vertical-align:middle} so to me it seems very clear that wei wuxian committed suicide after having lost his yiling family, already feeling guilt from inadvertently getting his shidi killed on the battlefield and then finding out his best friend and sworn brother was leading the charge against him personally and ready to kill everyone at burial mounds, including him. Did Jiang fengmian love Jiang Cheng? She married Jin Zixuan and bore their child Jin Ling. Yunmeng Pride Twins have a complicated relationship but I am sure of one thing, the name of the relationship won't be something negative such as "hate" or "enemies" etc. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. [19], Jiang Cheng's insecurities grow after the Sunshot Campaign, as people suggest that the Yunmeng Jiang Clan has only survived because of Wei Wuxian, rather than Jiang Cheng. He then witnesses Wei Wuxian accidentally reveal his identity by using Suibian, which had sealed itself after his death. Perhaps visiting each other, having get togethers with Jin Ling, or having good conversations at family events without bitting word fueled with regret, pain, or harmful intent. Lan Wangji ultimately kills the corpse to save her, and Jiang Cheng holds the injured Jiang Yanli in his arms. Although the presence of Hanguang-jun did help Wei Wuxian somewhat, it was far from enough. I think I also saw it in some fan theories, but I believe it makes a lot of sense JC just basically being mad jealous that his brother would first go to some shit hole and Gusu than to Yunmeng To all of that, WWX doesn't seem to be sorry or wanting to apologise to him and JC is putting all the fault for Jiang sect struggles on WWX. [36], When Qin Su kills herself in the secret treasure room of Golden Carp Tower, Jiang Cheng angrily demands an explanation. As soon as Jiang Cheng mentions Wen Zhuliu's presence, Jiang Fengmian rebinds both boys and sends them away as he returns for his wife. An Archive of Our Own, a project of the Organization for Transformative Works [24], He shouts at Wei Wuxian to stop the corpses from attacking her, but realizes that Wei Wuxian seems to struggle to maintain control. I feel like he loves him and hates him like a brother but both feelings are intensified to like 1000, plus his natural angry self, He may have cared at one point, but his hate def outweighs any amount of love (if he even does the small amount towards wwx). That is a big blow. IMO, i agree that Wei Ying committed suicide. Point is, I think, he knew the other dudes he was torturing were not WWX, so he just used them as dummies for his little anger problems, and when he saw WWX resurrected and shameless ofc he just wanted to release his anger, that's why he patted him gently on the back with Zidian. No. He runs out to distract them, and as a result, he is captured instead of Wei Wuxian. .LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH{fill:var(--newRedditTheme-actionIcon);height:18px;width:18px}.LalRrQILNjt65y-p-QlWH rect{stroke:var(--newRedditTheme-metaText)}._3J2-xIxxxP9ISzeLWCOUVc{height:18px}.FyLpt0kIWG1bTDWZ8HIL1{margin-top:4px}._2ntJEAiwKXBGvxrJiqxx_2,._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{vertical-align:middle}._1SqBC7PQ5dMOdF0MhPIkA8{-ms-flex-align:center;align-items:center;display:-ms-inline-flexbox;display:inline-flex;-ms-flex-direction:row;flex-direction:row;-ms-flex-pack:center;justify-content:center} Lan Wangji: In the Cloud Recesses flashback, Nie Huaisang says that he is the same age as Wei Wuxian and himself, which would be 15. He was Wei Ying, courtesy name Wei WuXian. Join the online community, create your anime and manga list, read reviews, explore the forums, follow news, and so much more! Remember that at the very end, he wanted to tell WWX about how he also made an unspoken sacrifice, how he hadn't run off to seek revenge, but had run out to distract the Wens from WWX. Granted, after things were resolved - their relationship was still quite strained. As a child, Jiang Cheng has three puppies named "Jasmine," "Princess," and "Love." However, after Wei Wuxian is brought to live at Lotus Pier around age nine or ten, Jiang Cheng's puppies are sent . But the most compelling for it to be suicide is that Wei wuxian himself made it clear to Xue Yang that a soul who has no desire to be in this world cannot be summoned back. .ehsOqYO6dxn_Pf9Dzwu37{margin-top:0;overflow:visible}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu{height:24px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu{border-radius:2px}._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:focus,._2pFdCpgBihIaYh9DSMWBIu.uMPgOFYlCc5uvpa2Lbteu:hover{background-color:var(--newRedditTheme-navIconFaded10);outline:none}._38GxRFSqSC-Z2VLi5Xzkjy{color:var(--newCommunityTheme-actionIcon)}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT{border-top:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-metaText);cursor:pointer;padding:8px 16px 8px 8px;text-transform:none}._2DO72U0b_6CUw3msKGrnnT:hover{background-color:#0079d3;border:none;color:var(--newCommunityTheme-body);fill:var(--newCommunityTheme-body)} felt like hitting the hornets nest today OP? But its not fairy tale love and theyre going to be tense with each other. Episode 1 All things said though, yea Ill just have to make do. One thing that did irk me was the scene when WWX was thinking about how he died and was getting really depressed. Plus he cleared his name. He is interrupted, however, by Jin Ling, who lies about seeing Wen Ning. Wen Ning serves as a representation of a force of good in life, and in death became a puppet to a friend & master who abused his reanimated body. Jiang Cheng blames Wei Wuxian for the death of his brother-in-law when Wei Wuxian lost control of Wen Ning while learning how to control corpses. Since he was "seventeen already" during the massacre at Lotus Pier, he is approximately Wei Wuxian's age only a few months younger (Courage, Part). In the original novel : WWX actually commit suicide. In what manner, i dont know. Wei Wuxian probably feels better ultimately now that he knows that Jiang Cheng knows the truth. [10], Once Wang Lingjiao requests that Yu Ziyuan sever Wei Wuxian's right hand, Jiang Cheng breaks free and begs his mother not to agree. After finding out that the reason WWX acted the way he did and the reason he continued with demonic cultivation even after losing control once is because he gave JC his golden core, a lot of WWX's earlier actions now look less like "WWX being an asshole for fun". He stabs Wei Wuxian, and Wei Wuxian commands Wen Ning to break one of his arms. Calm down. I got different feelings about those things in the different media adaptations. Welcome to r/MoDaZuShi! Snd Shngshu snd lit. That you can't bring back someone who doesn't have the will to live. Based on the live action and the anime I assume his action to try and destroy the amulet knowingly causes his death and the resentful energy consumed him and tore him apart. Animation I was under the impression that Wei Wuxian never really blame Jiang Wanjin for anything he did to him specifically, but he was enraged when the other talk bad about the Wens he was protecting or Lan WangJi. Wei Wuxian shifted foot to foot, Lil' Apple's reigns in hand. Once he is convinced they are telling the truth, he allowed them to speak to the rest of the cultivators present. He then reveals that he has brought Wei Wuxian's flute Chenqing and tosses it to him. You'll forgive me if I feel, from JC's pov, he has a lot of reasons to hate WWX. Courtesy Name Someone here has a theory that Nie Huaisang saves and locks Wei WuXian's soul in secret. [45], Jiang Cheng then turns his anger towards Jin Guangyao, especially after Jin Guangyao admits he had sent Jin Zixuan to the confrontation on Qiongqi Path, although Jin Guangyao maintains that he had not intended for Wei Wuxian to kill Jin Zixuan. I think his strongest feeling was jealousy and envy which was influenced from his mom. But I think a lot of people ignore the politics of everything. And if he did hear summons over the 13yrs and ignored it why did he answer this time? I mean come on @author, imagine the pain you could have made us readers feel! But I have noticed, neither in the donghua nor the novel was it ever confirmed that he died from the backfire of his army. [1], This, along with the fact that Jiang Fengmian holds Wei Wuxian his first night at Lotus Pier, causes Jiang Cheng to initially resent Wei Wuxian. Unable to sleep their first night, Wei Wuxian slips away from the Cloud Recesses to purchase the renowned wine Emperor's Smile. [25] Accordingly, Jiang Cheng's and Jin Guangshan's clans fight the most in the battle,[26] during which cultivators also slaughter the the Qishan Wen Clan remnants under Wei Wuxian's protection. Voice Actor (Chinese) It would explain why each version differs . At the age of fifteen, Wei Wuxian and Jiang Cheng are sent to study with the Gusu Lan Clan 's famous teacher, Lan Qiren. Clan [7], After the Xuanwu of Slaughter emerges, and the Wens flee, Jiang Cheng finds himself trapped in the cave alongside the others. It's pretty natural that he doesn't fall over himself to thank WWX for it given how it's presented to him as a weapon against him. In the second part, they are adults, and they don't realize that they may be in danger (Jin GuangYao and the Jin sect in general is much more insidious than the Wen sect). (Probably the price of destroying the Stygian Amulet). I wish they had more scenes where LZ and WWX talked their feelings out before they got together. For the same reason, he takes a sword cut for WWX, brings him back his dizi, and chooses to let WWX walk away and not stop him or burden him with the knowledge that the reason he lost his core was to save WWX in the first place. 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" [16], Jiang Cheng leads his cultivators to hunt Wen Chao and Wen Zhuliu while Lan Wangji returns to Gusu to analyze the strange talismans they have found. Wei Wuxian returned to his home after finishing his training at the Gusu Lan Sect, and a series of disastrous events made him give away his spiritual power to save the life of his martial brother, Jiang Cheng. Sorry for the long explanation, these two are really complicated. That sums everything up, pretty convincing. ._2Gt13AX94UlLxkluAMsZqP{background-position:50%;background-repeat:no-repeat;background-size:contain;position:relative;display:inline-block} WWX thinks if LWJ continues to hold on, they will both fall so he uses that moment to rip his arm out of LWJ's grip. A subreddit dedicated to fans, by fans, of all versions and adaptations of Mo Dao Zu Shi! It may not be something everyone feels would be accurate. I dont think hes ever actually hated him, did he want to hate him? [48], Before Wei Wuxian and Lan Wangji elope, Jiang Cheng considers telling Wei Wuxian that he had gotten caught by the Wens to save him, but finds himself unable to speak the words. Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. theres many theories.