This is a fake for at least two obvious reasons : 1- copper hilted type 95's, or 1st generation T-95's are very scarce and have only 4 digits serial numbers (around 6000 produced). Unfortunately, the scabbards serial number does not match the swords . Where should I look for records or production date/serial number guides? WWII Japanese Army Type 95 Tokyo Arsenal NCO Shin-Gunto Sword $ 895.00 A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. a good first indicator. This is a great and guaranteed genuine Japanese NCO's Type 95 sword that was carried by a career soldier. of forging the blade using multiple folds,etc. Sword steel of the army standard , Blade length: 83.6, Curvature: 1.35, machine made, tempering in oils, with a fuller and no Hamon, Overall length: 100.2, Made in the Tky Artillery Arsenal Type 32 Gunt is a government supply noncommissioned officer sword enacted in 1889 (August 23, Meiji 32). Sincerely, Eugene Quote vajo Gold Tier 5.8k Location:Germany / Bavaria Name: Chris Sch. Shamsy Carlos,I remember your sword ( if it's the same one you first put on the site ) and it's 100%If you look at the sword by Shamsy in post no9 look at the seppa and how poorly it fits and how new it looks ! Then the horror is the "Ko" stamp! Is there visible grain (hada) in the steel of the blade? Description. The position of the number on the blade, configured to be read with the cutting edge down, identifies the sword as having been produced by the Tokyo Arsenal (The only other source for the Type 95 sword was the Nagoya arsenal, which impressed the number on the blade in such a way that it is read with the cutting edge facing up). I don't want to help them any more than necessary. late, now sold). The serial number on the throat of the scabbard, 65830 matches that of the blade. another example where they got the product near correct but numbered it wrong. Required fields are marked *. If the swords are getting this good I think that's not a good idea. Steel is magnetic - aluminum is not. The serial number, 31278, and arsenal stamp are marked above the bohi (fuller). on a single criteria. NOTE: The following suggestions for determining whether a Japanese sword is old or new (WW II era or later) are only general guides. Your previous content has been restored. Eligible for all payments - Visa, Mastercard, Discover, AMEX, Paypal, Amazon & Sezzle. I really would have liked better pictures of the fuchi in light and the serial numbers, but I am very confident this is a well made reproduction. Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future! once told the facts they simply. The Type 95 NCO sword is similar in appearance to officers Type 94 and Type 98 Shin-gunt military swords, but is made of lower quality materials, most notably its hilt, which is made from metal and the scabbard was similar to that of the Type 32 with a prominent drag. Mission Ready, Qualified & Competent, On Time Execution! The matching serial numbers indicate the sword was taken off the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords and scabbards were frequently . Most swords do not . They just copy the real swords they import.Just comment what you like, you are not changing anything. Amounts shown in italicized text are for items listed in currency other than U.S. dollars and are approximate conversions to U.S. dollars based upon Bloomberg's conversion rates. The serial #'s are the best place to focus IMHO. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. Clear editor. the mounts can be interesting with hidden, spring loaded, pop out guards. Here is another example that's not too bad, but the bohi, stamps (these are most obvious parts) and other details are off. Your link has been automatically embedded. Any so called "ninja sword" is pure fantasy. Examine the hamon with a magnifying glass. the Japanese soldier, not an end of war mass surrender item (swords WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword, sold In good condition and with matching sword vs scabbard serial numbers, this is a 100% guaranteed authentic WW2 Imperial Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword / katana. Create an account to follow your favorite communities and start taking part in conversations. There are over 8 obvious indications the sword is a repro dressed as a fake. This prevents the sword from falling when the soldier is running. Original Item: Only One Available. They are unfortunately getting pretty good now. For questions or accessibility help - please call (908) 903-1200. It is Type 95 with an aluminum tsuka. NCO Katanas were issued to soldiers who did not want to take their family sword to battle or who came from poor families that did not have swords to pass down through the generations. NEVER CLEAN THE TANG OF A JAPANESE SWORD OR TAMPER WITH IT IN ANY WAY!!! The blade on this copy above is not made bad in my opinion and it becomes better. Based on my research the sword meets all the criteria of an authentic WWII Shin-Gunto Type 95 with one exception which is confusing me. Sword Shows, Events, Community News and Legislation Issues, Military Swords of Imperial Japan - Ohmura San, Nihonto-Japanese Swords as Art - John Eliyas, The Token Society of GB - Scotland Branch, Nanka Token Kai - Southern California Japanese Sword Society, Japanese Sword Society of the United States, The Society for the Promotion of Japanese Sword Culture (NBSK), The Japanese Sword Society of the United States, Nederlandse Tken Vereniging - Netherlands, San Francisco Nipponto Society *caution. A real hamon Please quote item reference S72 (0690). I can't get over the prices on these nowadays.. crazy, https://www.ebay.com/itm/WW2-WWII-Japanese-NCO-OFFICERS-SWORD-WITH-MATCHING-NUMBERS/253234351978?hash=item3af5f18f6a:g:wxsAAOSwAHtZ94Dm. NCO copper tsuka (handle) that is actually painted on top of the handle, I have not seen that before. Pre-Owned. Japanese WWII swords are amongst the most copied/faked of all swords and prospective buyers should beware. Serial range could be wrong as well but, I cant see them. By placing an order, the buyer represents that he/she is in compliance with the law and will utilize the items in a lawful manner. There's a technical term for it in Australia. Even so, enough to fool a novice. Newer swords will have a grey, metallic tang perhaps with a little red rust. This sword I shared with Steve (this thread) is a very good knowledge test - the goofy belt hanger (Bruce references) made me discount the sword immediately, but on closer look (my opinion) the stamps are a bit better than the other, cheaper fakes out there on the market. Brass hilt. If you cannot see this grain or do not know what to look for, assume it is carved bone, not ivory. C $158.47 + C $66.38 . It sounds to me like he was indeed a 3rd party procuring items. There are a bunch more issues with the sword, so if anyone wants to test their detective skills this is a good opportunity. of no interest to Nihonto collectors other than perhaps as an example of how poorly made a blade This is why the education side of collecting is so important!! So if they put their mind to it, an NCO sword should be no problem to reproduce. You cannot re-wrap the hilt with the silk cord that was removed. Even should they be able to reproduce the sword exactly, it is not just that one should be looking at, but a series of common features in patina that are universal to genuine, old NCO. There should be no characters etched on the blade, just a serial number. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 Type 30 Arisaka Japanese Bayonet Scabbard Straight Quillon Imperial Army No. military type swords are also being reproduced today. The detail that troubles me is the saya suspension ring being in the right place. Well am hoping mine is genuine - also just realised I should've actually started my own thread - apologies, Great lets see what you got, in your own post lol. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. This law exempts antique firearms from any form of gun control or special engineering. I was so stupid to have some and sold it - for better swords. I'm not an expert on Japanese swords, so I'll be glad with the maximum information on this Type 95. I agree and have never been able to put it into words like you just did. They sell it for 165 EUR everywhere. Hope he listens. 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Many will have some type of engraving, usually floral, on the blade. Many modern replicas and iaito have aluminum blades. The end of WWII marked the beginning of the sword ownership ban in Japan. I very much doubt that it would matter, but even someone with a repro would be able to use that information to create a fake. These are simply paper spacers to aid in positioning the wrapping properly on the handle. antique blades were left unsigned or have had their signatures (mei) lost over time. The fuchi collar at the base of the grip bears three stamped marks, these being the marks of the Iijima Copany, the group that manufactured the blade within the Tokyo Arsenal; the inspection stamp of the Imperial Army unit within the Tokyo arsenal that inspected the sword; and the Tokyo Arsenal identification stamp. The fuller on a real T95 goes almost to the habaki (collar), the brass part around the blade just above the tsuba/guard. Legal Notice - International Military Antiques, Inc observes all Federal, State and local laws. October 27, 2017 in Military Swords of Japan. Grain (hada) is sometimes difficult for beginners to recognize. How the sword is mounted has nothing to do with its age or authenticity. For more recent exchange rates, please use the. The NMB says so!" Bone tanto and swords (see below) fall into this group. Celebrating the Past, Present and Future of Navy Cryptology, Official site for National Guard marksmanship training & competitions. and scabbards were frequently separated and ended up being "married" The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo Not just Gunto but Napoleonic ,K98 bayonets you name itSo look out in the future ! I do not think they will be able to make a perfect fake as there are too many small details right down to the materials used. The painted handle and scabbard color look very nice, even though there were still some parts not correct compared to the real one, but it will fool a lot of people, like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. Complete with metal locking spring tab that secures the blade to the scabbard. Many people tend to believe that if a sword The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining. We assume no liability associated with misuse of our products. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. Unfortunately have to agree with Brian, as prices move upwards, the copies will inevitably get better. It is terrible. The sad part is someone probably will buy one of them too. There is not much more complicated (and valuable) as ROLEX watches. Everything for sale on ima-usa.com is completely legal to own, trade, transport and sell within the United States of America. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. The brown paint on the hilt has mostly worn away, as it did not really stick well to the aluminum. They are getting better with the Kokura cannonballs, but this one - the lines are to thin, the balls too big. The members here in the board who collect these swords are taking a very good investment for the future. The blades in these items are all "soft steel" and have etched temperlines Most handmade What a bunch of junk. Agree with others had to study it for a bit, since it is not an obvious reproduction - but at the end of the day, it has issues! Make the gap between the arsenal marks less! Second the Font isn't even close. Some older (Shinshinto) Traditionally this function is assigned to the Habaki (blade collar). antique or of recent vintage. I have NO idea what that belt hanger is supposed to be. Never use force to remove the handle.) This claims to be made by Suya Shoten, but their standards and quality control were much higher than this. NCOs will progress into the minefield of German militaria in the next couple of decades. The condition of this sword is very good, with only some light surface staining on the blade. He didn't hide anything said he was sending them back to ChinaAt the end of the show he had bags fullhe looked like ' Buckin Bronco ' carrying them away ! Even non-mechanical artsy-fartsy stuff. There are some very knowledgeable and experienced folk here and you can trust their deduction. If the tsuka can be dismanteld from sword with out removing the sarute and barrel, its a fake! I am not sure why the serial numbers are covered? Dan. The great majority of these swords are made of carved bone, not ivory. "Ninja swords" are a Hollywood fiction. iaito (iai practice sword)? to another sword / scabbard. All orders are subject to acceptance by IMA Inc, which reserves the right to refuse any order. Pasted as rich text. I forgot to point out that inside the scabbard there are wooden inserts. You can post now and register later. Look at the bohi at the kissaki and the arsenal marks are terrible! Please consider starting a new thread rather than reviving this one, unless your post is really relevant and adds to the topic.. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. Consult someone who is trained in tsuka-maki if you need to have a handle re-built. The first question to be answered - is it a real sword or a modern replica or an When in doubt, check the blade with a magnet. Serial number placement. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officer's sword. Yeah I guess Japanese military swords don't get much attention from the well known names. Paste as plain text instead, or old wood sticks. It's also really interesting that it looks like the original serial numbers on the scabbard and blade matched before they were ground. (hamon). the market. If the blade is not sharp all the way to the habaki does not assure it is a WW II era blade, but is Press question mark to learn the rest of the keyboard shortcuts. That is not true. The Scabbardlooks to have some paint left, however it is under the leather cover, which we have not removed, so we do not know how much still remains. Sorry for the bad news. I liked the look of the Type 32 but all I've found was deepeeka. The above items are only a general guide. I searched into the rest of the Japanese items on the site. Of the eight army arsenals active in the war only Kokura, Tokyo First and Nagoya were involved in the Type 95 program. I just want an accurate reproduction. Sure, there's lots of other details like proof marks to look for, but these 5 things are just glaringly obvious and easy to see in pictures, and one or more seems to be on every single repro sword out there, so they're quick and easy ways to ID fakes. Copyright 1995-2023 eBay Inc. All Rights Reserved. This example has a matching serial number 55250 on both the blade and the throat of the scabbard. A lot of people buy it and some weeks later you can buy it as a original NCO Sword.. Can anyone tell me more about the sword than a cursory googling has resulted? They are referred to as "hocho tetsu" (kitchen steel) - a most derogatory term in sword circles. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for Japanese Arisaka Type 99 Last Ditch Complete Bolt With Matching Serial Numbers at the best online prices at eBay! Japanese swords will have a visible grain in the steel of the blade. I have been asked this many times at shows, from dealers and buyers. Authorized for production in 1935, the Type 95, commonly referred to as the NCO sword was all-machine made unlike the more expensive and higher-quality Officers sword. June 23, 2016. like many dealers, there main concern is profit, regardless of the piece being a reproduction. The serial number should be near the bottom of the blade, just above the habaki. However, it is ultimately the responsibility of the buyer to be in compliance of laws that govern their specific location. Real swords, decorative, historical, fantasy; humor, social, ID requests, shopping help, art; all sword-related topics are welcome (we are not very strict about topicality)! There are two NCO late stage on Ebay now. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. The biggest giveaway are the stamps. The Americans destroyed a large number of swords by dumping them into the ocean or by melting them. 20062021 Nihonto Message Board A subreddit for enthusiasts, practitioners, collectors, and investigators of swords (and related historical weapons). A World War II Type 95 Japanese Army NCO sword on which the sword blade and scabbard both have matching serial numbers. Posted October 27, 2017 There are old sword blades which have no visible grain (muji hada); however, the presence of grain does As we have a grater passion for and preservation in mind rather then profits as a dealer does. well it would have fooled me, how about you other gunto guys? WW II era machine made swords have an etched temper line, not a true temper line (hamon) made There are genuine collectors throughout China too. Japanese WWII Type 95 NCO Sword. good condition, a few small patina streaks, nothing much, and firm This sword has a cast aluminium tsuka (hilt) with an approximately 10mm thick ornate aoi-shaped brass tsuba (guard). blade - most likely a WW II NCO sword. sword clubs in many cities. I'm reposting the pictures of the fake pattern 5 that Stegel provided in the wooden handled topic just to have them all together. The blades are very straight and thin and often have significant flaws. Most sword canes were produced in the late 19th Century - early 20th Century. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. By rejecting non-essential cookies, Reddit may still use certain cookies to ensure the proper functionality of our platform. 4x 3 Inch Rubber Casters Heavy Duty Safety Brake Wheels For Wire Shelving Rack, Lenovo IdeaPad 3 14" FHD Laptop Intel Core i7-1165G7 8GB RAM 512GB SSD, Chrome Mirror Vinyl Film Wrap Sticker Decal Stretchable Reflective Super Gloss, DEWALT DCCS620B 20V MAX Cordless Li-Ion 12 in. Typical WWII Imperial Japanese Army style fittings, with a single suspension ring from the scabbard, known as the "New Military Sword" (shin guntou) style. Imperial Japanese Army (IJA) Type 95 NCO Shin Gunto. No single indicator alone will determine whether a sword blade is an Every musket, rifle, display machine gun, machine gun parts set or gun sold by IMA, Inc is engineered to be inoperable according to guidelines provided by the US Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (BATF). 100 % newly made. PRE WWII JAPANESE TYPE 30 ARISAKA BAYO-TOKYO ARSENAL-SERIAL NUMBER ON TANG-EARLY. No habaki. Hi there what would you expect to pay for a aluminium handled no 3 sword with some blade staining/surface rust and a dentless scabbard with some surface rust? The Japanese Type 95 pattern Army NCO's sword is one of the most reproduced / faked swords in the world, be warned. Blade is 26.25 inches long, with an overall length of 36.25 inches. These items are purchased for the quality of the carving only. document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); This site uses Akismet to reduce spam. Wayne i would have called bad on it, think F&G early book had balls that big, remember two diff stacked ball stamp, or not, memory, lol, i jest. The sword sheathes and draws very well, and the So many repros use Phillips or combination screws, especially on the saya. It's a reissued one like one in Fuller & Gregory's book. Could someone simply call the most obvious differences from the original? All correct! Gun magazine laws, concealed weapons laws, laws governing new made display guns, airsoft guns, blank fire guns, and other items vary greatly by nation, state and locality. These items are of Didn't want to explain to much, because that sword copys get better and better. The Kokura Arsenal did not produce any Type 95 Shin Gunto but over-saw the production of these swords so its identification stamp is often found on Type 95 swords. Greetings. . That's why I addressed here. Lets hope the guys that make the fakes arent reading all this and learning what to improve. Neil. Serial number placement. Machine made blade is good condition. This is pure fiction. 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It's also highly unlikely that a replica would have such a wonderfully aged scabbard cover. Showing an average amount of wear throughout, this Japanese Type 95 NCO Shin-Gunto is a beautiful example throughout. Katana | HEAVY Cutter For HEAVY Targets. By law, Japanese citizens were forbidden to own swords. Is the blade sharpened all the way to the base where it joins the hilt? World War 2 Historian, Relic Hunter and expert in identification of WW2 relics. The grip wrapping and menuki are cast-formed. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. But machine made swords like this one do not have the accuracy of manufacturing that enable the Habaki to perform such a function. Be the first to know of our latest discoveries and exclusive offers. General McCarthur did not want the general population to be able to arm again. Always check. IMA considers all antique guns offered on our website as non-firing, inoperable and/or inert. Pasted as rich text. All Images and Text Copyright 2003-2023 International Military Antiques Inc. All Rights Reserved. WW II era swords have been put into shirasaya or $159.50. The original thread is gone and buried somewhere and this, Saw these photos of a fake Type 95. Here is my last IJA type 95 copper handle nco sword the I own. WW2. Stick to reliable sources more Han ever if you want to avoid getting burnt ! Matching serial numbers 31123. Writing about whatever interests me, and maybe you. The scabbards and hilts are usually designed to resemble bamboo or old wood sticks. This fine example is a genuine WWII Japanese Type 95 NCO Samurai Sword or katana with aluminum handle construction and machine made blade. It will have shrunk and is likely frayed and worn. Scabbard in very nice condition. It now takes an expert to tell the difference between a Chinese $25 copy ROLEX and the real deal, right down to the automatic movement.