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You can see where some of the plating is peeling with age and use. No the one I have is chrome plated. If this is the knife I am thinking of (stacked leather handle with a traditional clip style blade) a friend had one when I was younger and as I recall the knife was darn near impossible to get an edge on. Craftsmanship . The only sure way to get one that was in Vietnam is from a vet that can document the knife. This full-tang sawback Bowie knife is designed for heavy use in brutal survival situations. When Coleman bought Western in 1984, they continued the practice, up through M. When Camillus bought Western from Coleman in 1991, they dropped the practice. Is it possible that the ones you think are chrome plated are STAINLESS STEEL and the ones you think are not chromed are regular "carbon steel"??? 1,637,685, 2,339,655 Weight for the weight weirdos is 1 lb 4 ounces knife only. I Ship Worldwide. And you are spot-on when you allude to "gray areas." I also believe that the guard marked "W49's" would have been made during the 1970's but prior to 1977 when the alphabetical date code started. Original Price $121.00 Even though we were young and we knew every thing. Set where you live, what language you speak, and the currency you use. In that year, the company was sold to Coleman, becoming Coleman-Western. Sellers looking to grow their business and reach more interested buyers can use Etsys advertising platform to promote their items. (30% off), Sale Price $123.74 Captcha failed to load. They moved to Longmont, CO. in 1978 and continued the . Original Price 4,063,793 $86.70, $289.00 Original Price $164.99 Public collections can be seen by the public, including other shoppers, and may show up in recommendations and other places. 1 month ago on ebay.com. Some of the technologies we use are necessary for critical functions like security and site integrity, account authentication, security and privacy preferences, internal site usage and maintenance data, and to make the site work correctly for browsing and transactions. Mine probably dates back farther than yours (before Coleman bought Western) and the vanadium steel they used back then was excellent. I have a long list of knives I kick myself for not buying. January 6, 2011 in EDGED WEAPONS, hi i want to get a vietnam western bowie knife, but not sure how to tell any differences if there is with them if anyone can help me it would be very helpful. Sign up for a new account in our community. Bowie Knife. Vintage Western folding pocket knife. but it has never failed me. by WesternBowieAxe Wed May 02, 2018 3:11 am, Post $148.00, $185.00 Skinning/Hunting/Camping knife, Western States, Boulder Colorado 2 blade pocket knife / Advertising pocket knife c.1911-1950. Original Price $615.00 All have positives all have negatives oh to decide i still have the one i bought back in the '70's i wore every where butt work. Original Price 3,448,276 We've sent you an email to confirm your subscription. Measures 15 inches long. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. I didn't really like it so I gave it to my brother. They are the older high carbon blades. I've been wanting a V44 pattern for years. (30% off), Sale Price 3,338,731 Western Knives of Boulder Colorado made four models of the Bowie knife. Original Price 7,118,227 (10% off), Sale Price 4,617,980 Depending on the exact age of the knives, they may be very good steel. I think I read somewhere that when Camillus bought the name in 1991, they moved production to the Camillus factory in New York. In 1991 the rights to the Western brand was auctioned to the Camillus Knife Co. . If it is legible and anyone can fill in any blanks or dispute any of the data, I am receptive to discussion. Original Price 6,978,325 I don't know how long they made this knife but by the 1978 catalog it has disappeared. Yea it is an old thread. I have never found any reference to Western chroming their knives. With powerful tools and services, along with expert support and education, we help creative entrepreneurs start, manage, and scale their businesses. Eventually purchased by Camillus in 1991, Western continued until Camillus expired in 2007. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Knife_Company. The other three were heavly pitted from the jungle. Also they produced the stock number (649) a bowie with a handle made of synthetic stag for the handle. $295.00 eBay For Sale: Custom & Semi Production Knives (Dealer), KnifeMaker's Market: Knives & More for Sale, Wanted: Knifemaker / Craftsman / Related Services, Busse / Swamprat / Scrapyard Knives For Sale, For Sale: Traditionals, Slipjoints, "Old Timey", International (Non-US) For Sale & Trade Forums, http://www.knifeforums.com/forums/showtopic.php?tid/872513/tp/0/all/1/, http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3218/2432943915_de56f97a16_b.jpg, http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/941103-Western-W49-Bowie, http://www.bladeforums.com/forums/showthread.php/1072453-Western-Bowie-any-info-appreciated. 2,068,966, 6,896,552 (45% off), Keep collections to yourself or inspire other shoppers! As I've mentioned I've been offered a nice roi for my blade, but I'm not sure I would take a truck in exchange. Well used and somewhat pitted since I got them used. Yes, that is one the first post-WW2 bowies made by Western. Because it still seems like an amazing knife. This photo illustrates what I mean when I speak of larger pins versus smaller pins. The ones marked W49 with large handle bolts are questionable to me. Charlie, How easy or difficult is it to come across a Western Bowie that actually looks like it may have seen use during the Vietnam War. Original Price $91.34 The unique design of the blade gave it its power and its name thanks to James Bowie, a hero of the Alamo gave it its prestige. 1,952,663, 3,550,296 The side by side testing I mentioned was chopping through a five inch thick seasoned locust log. Wild West Bowie Knives. "Leather handled Bowie". It still could be post Vietnam presentation item but who knows. We've got Bowie knives of all shapes and sizes at Knife Depot. Also they produced the stock number (649) a bowie with a handle made of synthetic stag for the handle. But without more evidence to support them the above examples are my recommendation at this time. (39% off), Sale Price 3,722,167 Anyone have experience with them? Average depth of cut with the same swing was almost a half inch. As a bowie knife, this was designed for hunting and survival, but as a high-priced Buck knife with a few dozen handle materials to choose from and the option to add a display box and an engraving it makes a pretty stellar gift and display piece. One is the lack of surviving documents from the Western Cutlery Co. . It is supposed to have catalog pages showing the available knives from before WW2 through 1979. At least I know the knife was made between 1977 and 1980, thanks for the help! Charlie, http://img11.No_outside_hosting.us/g/cblziwcgkkgrhqyokpme0un.jpg/. It is blade marked:WESTERN / USA / W49 with the letter "A" which signifies the first year that Western implemented the alphabetical date code (1977). Sold. Frequently bought together + Total price: To see our price, add these items to your cart. For International Buyers, Please Email before purchasing to determine the actuall shipping cost. Coleman Western 954 Double Lock with box and pouch (1989), Western USA S-532 "A" Wood Westlock Lockback 1977, Vintage Western Boulder Colo. 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Original Price $297.22 Many of the examples of Vietnam War vintage Bowies do not appear to have traveled any further west than the California shoreline, Chrome plating of the blade was to protect it from rust in the jungle. (60% off), Sale Price 2,807,882 (50% off), Sale Price 1,896,552 Through name changes--to Western States Cutlery Co. in 1953, then Western Cutlery Co. in 1956--and moves first across town and later to Longmont Colorado, the company stayed under the leadership of the Platt family until 1984. The Bowie knife also played a prominent role in western lore. Vintage Western U.S.A W49 Bowie Knife Pre-Owned C $337.45 Top Rated Seller or Best Offer from United States Sponsored Extremely rare, Western Cutlery, model W49 Bowie fighting knife C $607.40 or Best Offer from United States Sponsored Vintage Large Western Bowie Knife W49 F Pre-Owned C $337.44 Buy It Now +C $27.52 shipping estimate Set where you live, what language you speak, and the currency you use. Bowie Knife Cold Steel Fixed Blade Knife Knives And Swords When this U.S. Army Ranger was 10 he made a knife. Learn more. For further info Google: "Bill Bagwell" or "Bagwell Bowie" Re: SOF magazine article c.1987 April issue, MySpace !function(d,s,id){var js,fjs=d.getElementsByTagName(s)[0];if(!d.getElementById(id)){js=d.createElement(s);js.id=id;js.src="//platform.twitter.com/widgets.js";fjs.parentNode.insertBefore(js,fjs);}}(document,"script","twitter-wjs"); All photos were 10 chops. It appears that much was lost during the periods that Western changed hands. +C $35.71 shipping estimate. As far as a real chopper goes, my W49 out performed my Spyderco/Hossum Forester in side by side testing. Original Price 4,844,560 1,435,714, 2,610,345 I cleaned them up and blued one of them for a more uniform patina. This post is reserved to hold future oddballs/commemorative/special editions as they pop up in the future. Send me exclusive offers, unique gift ideas, and personalized tips for shopping and selling on Etsy. (70% off), Sale Price 2,500,000 If you come across a chrome plated Western Bowie it was probably plated for jungle use. The Bowie knife began as a gift of love from one brother to another, but the weapon proved invaluable in the famous 1827 Sandbar . $299.99 eBay SUPER RARE KABAR HOBO PERFECT HANDLES KNIFE, FORK, SPOON 1923 TO 1037 $875.00 eBay Case XX USA 10 Dot 1970 5254 Trapper Genuine Stag Handles Unused N Mint Specks $345.00 eBay RARE VINTAGE CASE XX REDBONE SCOUT UTILITY KNIFE 6445 R 1940-64 "NICE!!! This information will be very helpful in my search. Theres still a lot to uncover about this subject. here's a pic of the western along side an old trailmaster and recon. Thanks for compiling this data and putting it into the chart that you've provided. Original Price 1,243,264 Dont see this option? The knife on the right in my picture above is an example of the 3rd variant. Ridge Runner Whitetail Ridge Bowie Knife $26.99 $9.98! L Lenka Kuerkov Cool Knives La Forge Lame Film Props Knife Handles Y Yves Tactical Swords Blacksmithing Knives Bowie Knives I hope that there will be enough detail for me to identify the order of tang and guard stamp introduction on the W49s and other models as well. JavaScript is disabled. Obviously, 1977 on is easy. (50% off), Sale Price 1,516,995 The Western W-49 is made of 1095 carbon steel. The stamping is only on the Brass guard and there are no letters denoting age. I cut the hilt down took some belly off the blade, had a sheath made and for a total investment of $40.00 got a knife that has served me well. Original Price 1,995,074 Now I cleaned it up and sharpened it and it is my home office tactical letter opener. SKIP. Back in the early, and late 70's, all the guys I approached for any type of knife, especially SOG knives, said they left them in Vietnam. Camillus produced the W49 until 2006. (10% off), Sale Price $22.40 2,684,911, 4,881,657 Thanks GIRLYmann! The knife in the middle with the larger pins and modified guard is an example of the 5th variant, c.1977. Who has the knowledge for this situation? No, I never wrote it up. A couple years ago I bought a Coleman era W49. They sharpen up like a razor and I need to make heavy duty sheaths for them. 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The knife had been made by his brother, Rezin, a year prior. We've got Bowie knives of all shapes and sizes at Knife Depot. The letters used start with "A" for 1977 and go on to "0" for 1991 when Camillus bought the rights to Western at auction. Measures 15-1/4" overall with a 10" blade. I'm curious to know what year Western first manufactured the W49? In fact in 20 years of service, was never given a Vietnam carried knife. IMHO its hard to link gear made after 1972 to being In Country without being attached to some strong provenance. Take full advantage of our site features by enabling JavaScript. Is that a bad thing that it is not a Western Knife but a Coleman instead? Thanks for all the information! Some made in Australia had cast aluminum handles. Its generally excepted that the first two variations on this knife where blade marked (see pics below). 3,263,547, 4,662,315 2,093,350, 4,186,946 1,025,862, 1,206,897 (20% off), Sale Price $66.55 Counter-Strike: Global Offensive. It didn't have much heft. The W49 is the 9 1/2" "V44" type with the immense S-curve guard and laminated rosewood slab handles. The 4th variant also has larger pins. (50% off), Sale Price 1,912,315 Western Knives of Boulder Colorado made four models of the Bowie knife. Shipping Discounts Available for Multiple Items Purchased from Sanders Knives: If this item is purchased with another item from Sanders Knives that has a shipping cost of $8.50 or more, standard shipping to US addresses for this item will be discounted to $1.00. The knife on the left is the 2nd variant of the W49 and is blade marked: The knife in the middle with the larger pins and modified guard is an example of the 5th variant, c.1977. But I feel like your chart is about as accurate a depiction as one is likely to find. Click Buy it now or Add to cart and proceed to checkout. $184.50, $615.00 1978 was "B" and so on. It's easy! In 2020 alone, purchases on Etsy generated nearly $4 billion in income for small businesses. Many sellers on Etsy offer personalized, made-to-order items. (45% off), Sale Price 1,637,685 You must log in or register to reply here. Bowie Knives - Knife Depot Looking for a real knife? 2,020,725, 3,367,876 2,370,466, 4,740,933 Designed by Jim Bowie and fabricated first by Jesse Clifft, the almost 10-inch-long blade had a flat spine and no guard between its blade and handle. In his books, Cole called them the V44 Types 1,2,3,4 (Collins, CaseXX, Western, Kinfolks) and the type 5, the CaseXX Fixed blade V44. A top-end bowie knife that's been around since World War II, the Ka-Bar U.S. Marine Corps Bowie Knife is durable and versatile. The Timber Rattler Western Outlaw Bowie Knife is the best of the best when it comes to getting a great bowie knife on a budget. I've got several W49 bowies, the oldest dating to around the mid 60s. (50% off), Sale Price 1,097,291 Nearly a foot and a half long. western style Bowie knife Hammerheadknife (13) $200.00 FREE shipping More like this Large bowie knife ForgeZbk (14) $599.24 FREE shipping More like this 10 inches Blade Hand crafted Bowie knife, Bushcraft knife, full tang, leaf spring of truck, Tempered, Razor Sharpen, Ready to use Famouskukri (186) $149.99 $249.99 (40% off) FREE shipping The sheath for this knife is also unique in my opinion. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register. sogmanjoe, (70% off), Sale Price 3,263,547 Large Bowies features excellent stag horn grip with brass pommel and English style brass cross guard. Those partners may have their own information theyve collected about you. by zzyzzogeton Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:04 am, Post Original Price 3,367,876 The marking are very important. If you come across a chrome plated Western Bowie it was probably plated for jungle use. 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(20% off), Sale Price $36.50 How easy or difficult is it to come across a Western Bowie that actually looks like it may have seen use during the Vietnam War. Hey zzyzzogeton thanks for all the info its so hard to find good info on early Bowies but I think I have a correction for you, on Western Bowie #5 Version 1 stainless steel Bowie - It should be blade marked not guard marked WESTERN BOWIE on top of STAINLESS STEEL on top of U.S.A. markings on only one side. Western Outlaw Bowie Knife by Timber Rattler It is 17 inches long and is almost 0.5 inches wide. I'm going to put a better edge on it and try it out! You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. The facts are that the last two years of the war The U.S. was not sending in much of anything into the country as far as manpower and equipment. The blade's spine is five . If there is a letter on the blade under the Western name it is post 1977. I guess the extra weight of the brass piece on the spine of the blade helps. Its also home to a whole host of one-of-a-kind items made with love and extraordinary care. I have been trying for some time to compile dating info and as you probably know there are some gray areas. I have never seen an original box & papers for a W49 Bowie. (25% off), Sale Price 1,435,714 "Western" and "Coleman" are both brand names; which is it? Original Price $28.00 1,775,148, 4,437,574 Powered by Invision Community. Corral have been captivating the imaginations of America's boys and girls for generations, as something about that lawless, pioneering time speaks to the heart of America's individualistic mentality. This Auction is for an Authentic Western Boulder U.S.A W49 "M" Bowie Knife w/Wooden Plaque - Circa 1840.1977 was the first year that Western knives started using the alphabet, starting with the letter "A", to date code their knives. (30% off), Sale Price 2,093,350 (50% off), Sale Price 1,666,256 Canadianlisted.com, kijiji. The 4th variant also has larger pins. The ones brought home were kept, or given to some relative. Turning off the personalized advertising setting wont stop you from seeing Etsy ads or impact Etsy's own personalization technologies, but it may make the ads you see less relevant or more repetitive. He designed it as a hunting knife and gave it to James for protection after his brother had been shot in a fight. Try contacting them via Messages to find out! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Original Price 2,339,655 by zzyzzogeton Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:40 pm, Post An "I" version would be from 1985, the year after Coleman took over. Vintage 14 1/2" Western W49 Bowie Knife with Sheath. Camillus discontinued the use of date codes. It was also the last year they were made in Boulder, CO. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. 3,047,783, 4,063,793 FREE SHIPPING ON ORDERS OVER $99* & 60-DAY RETURNS. This is the Western Bowie USA knife and the scarce Vietnam era 2nd variation, this tang stamp was produced circa 1966-1968. by zzyzzogeton Fri Dec 15, 2017 3:47 am, Post That makes it a pretty serious chopper in my book. This will differ depending on what options are available for the item. Western didn't seem to keep real accurate records. 2023 Created by Jan Carter. But once you mod 'em they lose all collector's value.